The Cop & The Scammer - REAL Phone Conversation!

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On Feb 27, 2015 - Sgt. Guerra of VPD received a phone call claiming to be from the IRS. He knew it to be a common scam, so he decided to call the number back and document it. What happened next was completely unexpected. He had this to say:

It’s not often that I find myself speechless, but this was one instance that I was a bit tongue tied at what transpired. If you’ve watched the video, you know now that I was able to get a scammer from Pakistan 
on the phone that was brazen enough to give me step by step details into how their scam works. 

Several things happened throughout the course of this video that really caught me off guard:

1) The conference call situation. I was not expecting this and I’ve never heard of this happening. 

2) I apparently am completely incapable of saying the phrase “Green Dot Money Pak” 

3) Most shockingly, even more so than the scammer’s willingness to give me details on the scam was when he became polite and apologetic for his poor English. 

4) They are very much aware of the limitations and jurisdiction enforcement issues placed on law enforcement and really have no fear of repercussion. They literally have NOTHING TO LOSE.

So as I mentioned in the video, here are the details on how this scam works:

Credit to www.irs.gov

Victims are told they owe money to the IRS and it must be paid promptly through a pre-loaded debit card or wire transfer. If the victim refuses to cooperate, they are then threatened with arrest, deportation or suspension of a business or driver’s license. In many cases, the caller becomes hostile and insulting.

“This scam has hit taxpayers in nearly every state in the country.  We want to educate taxpayers so they can help protect themselves.  Rest assured, we do not and will not ask for credit card numbers over the phone, nor request a pre-paid debit card or wire transfer,” says IRS Acting Commissioner Danny Werfel. “If someone unexpectedly calls claiming to be from the IRS and threatens police arrest, deportation or license revocation if you don’t pay immediately, that is a sign that it really isn’t the IRS calling.” Werfel noted that the first IRS contact with taxpayers on a tax issue is likely to occur via mail.

Other characteristics of this scam include:

 Scammers use fake names and IRS badge numbers. They generally use common names and surnames to identify themselves.

 Scammers may be able to recite the last four digits of a victim’s Social Security Number.

 Scammers spoof the IRS toll-free number on caller ID to make it appear that it’s the IRS calling. 

 Scammers sometimes send bogus IRS emails to some victims to support their bogus calls.

 Victims hear background noise of other calls being conducted to mimic a call site.

 After threatening victims with jail time or driver’s license revocation, scammers hang up and others soon call back pretending to be from the local police or DMV, and the caller ID supports their claim.

If you get a phone call from someone claiming to be from the IRS, here’s what you should do:

 If you know you owe taxes or you think you might owe taxes, call the IRS at 1.800.829.1040. The IRS employees at that line can help you with a payment issue – if there really is such an issue.

 If you know you don’t owe taxes or have no reason to think that you owe any taxes (for example, you’ve never received a bill or the caller made some bogus threats as described above), then call and report the incident to the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration at 1.800.366.4484.

 You can file a complaint using the FTC Complaint Assistant; choose “Other” and then “Imposter Scams.” If the complaint involves someone impersonating the IRS, include the words “IRS Telephone Scam” in the notes.

Taxpayers should be aware that there are other unrelated scams (such as a lottery sweepstakes) and solicitations (such as debt relief) that fraudulently claim to be from the IRS.

The IRS encourages taxpayers to be vigilant against phone and email scams that use the IRS as a lure. The IRS does not initiate contact with taxpayers by email to request personal or financial information.  This includes any type of electronic communication, such as text messages and social media channels. The IRS also does not ask for PINs, passwords or similar confidential access information for credit card, bank or other financial accounts. Recipients should not open 
any attachments or click on any links contained in the message. Instead, forward the e-mail to phishing@irs.gov.

More information on how to report phishing scams involving the IRS is available on the genuine 

IRS website, IRS.gov.

COMMENTS
Eric Casarez
I just was talking with Trooper Germany D.O.T. officer. His sergeant is in Victoria... thanks for the info. I live in Karnes City and we have been getting weird phone calls with Filipino and middle eastern accents. I toy with them also... keep posting this stuff it does help...
toogle1234
You guys are great!
420 420
U are the coolest cop I've ever seen. Thank you for this post.
Guru Laghima
This video confused me. Why was the scammer swearing so much before anyone even said anything? Why did the scammer tell him some of the scam details?
Gerardo Manon
thank you for posting this video so we can be informed
brian NA
is "Preventioners" a word? should be "Crime Preventers" 🤔🖒
Donny Christian
Yeah i loved the part when you said i'm going to decline on that lol
Danny Bradley
Can these people ever be traced? Any examples of successful traces?
Kairi091
It's unsettling how cavalier these scammers are about stealing people's life savings. They openly identify themselves as scammers and act like it's just one of many jobs that a person can pursue.
Mommyoftoomany Wilson
We have received calls from the "irs" and tech support, and electric companies, and police associations that are fake.
Eis Geist
Officer handsome! I love this vid!
Jing Busakorn khummin
What if he quit as being a cop when he gets da cash as a Youtuber?
MrMctrizzle
I can't believe the scammer actually explained what they do omg
Rocket man
425 scammers disliked this video
mario soto
I got 5 automated calls today. They all went to voicemail
Chris Tenorio
Tell them sarge
2sudsy
Thank you Sgt. Guerra for making this video.
Stefan Portelli
well done and keep it up!!!! That's the way police has to help to prevent
gib
I love your facial expressions! Cracks me up! "Im gonna pass, I'm gonna decline on that..." LOL
Luet246
This happened to me today!!!! The number is (202)754-9767
Angel Valle
I received a call on my home phone (which I hardly ever use) from a scammer claiming the same thing.
Ryan OLeary
I can tell this guy was fun in highschool
Melodic Memories
I've seen this video yesterday on a Canadian show called Marketplace. They actually visited the company in Karachi, Pakistan and video taped it. The company is Via Communications.
One Nation
Normally they are indians! PAkistanians don't really do that
Fred Santa
COPS! Is filmed on location with the men and woman of law inforcments! All suspects are innocent, until proven guilty, in the court of law! "BAD BOYS WHAT U GONNA , what u gonna , what u gonna do, aaaaaay when cops come for you! Cheng Chang , Cheng cheng!
RangerGuyxx87
That's remarkable that you actually had one admit to it being a scam. I have had multiple calls from "IRS" "Microsoft", and other types of scam and none have voluntary devalued that they are scamming people. Makes one think.
apriltheghost2009
They also told me that an officer is on his way to my house to Arrest me for government fraud told me I was a *unt That didn't pay my taxes.
apriltheghost2009
Omg this has been happening to me.... they are the most disgusting people they Harass me all the time... Using the Name Mike Jordan and Jane Smith....and Julie Robertson....Makes me sick
Art Art
here's a scammers phone number:(855) 250 3135. they say that u have a virus and spyware on ur computer and ur information has been stolen
Sinister Steel
Atleast this scammer is honest LOL
saved and blessed Vance
I R S doesn't call you.
LCD
Guys I have just gotten to the point where he is about to call "the irs" and I would like to notify you all, normally when the irs is having a problem with you, they normally send A LETTER they do not normally call you. This is just as far as I have heard, I am only trying to help if I am wrong please feel free to correct me
xdir
What a polite cop, completely put off the scammer and made him confesss. Good job.
Karen Edwards
I got the IRS scam call once before. a co-worker overheard me while on the phone with them while I was on break and she told me it was a scam. Once I was aware of the situation, I asked to speak to a supervisor. They hung up on me immediately. I called back and a woman answered and I asked the same thing. This time she said she WAS the supervisor, so I insisted to speak to HER supervisor. She claimed there wasn't one. I asked for her supervisor again and she hung up on me. Later on I reported the number via the complaint agency website. So basically, if you question them like that, they'll hang up on you.
Chris Mystic
Omg. I love this
Chris Mystic
Omg. I love this
oneduality
This is now the fourth channel where I've heard this same guy.. two were IRS scams and two were the windows virus scam... he's a very busy guy..

And of course he is ok telling about it since it'd be virtually impossible to bust him for it
Nick LaBar
They will never call you
Sheila Hunter
You are awesome!! I loved it! I'm a former newscaster and journalist. Some guy on Facebook trying to scam me said that I won $500,000 and I had a lot of fun with him today! He was totally freaking out at the end. LOL I have a brother that works cyber intelligence and also consults with the FBI so this poor guy by the end felt like my brother was going to be knocking on his door LOL these videos are extremely satisfying to watch! Thank you LOL
uponamidnightdreary
I'm just glad that lady called when y'all did too because I feel like she would have given them info believing it was real. She sounded nice
Quoc Le
that woman was sooo lucky, she almost fell for the whole scam
Jeff
For one folks, the IRS does not give you a call, they send everything threw the mail, usually certified mail return receipt. They are not going to tell you that you have a pending lawsuit, they just file the thing, you get served.Bad part about this, that the IRS and the scammers are basically no different, they both screw you out of your hard earned money.
Indian Tech Support
that cop is a legend!
pustulio81
This has to be the greatest conference call ever. Getting cussed out, and then having the whole scam explained in detail. What more could you want from a conference call? LOL
Henry C
Simple: The IRS will NEVER call you. It's that simple.
Erik Rasmussen
why do they all say each and everything
Joseph Romano
it's officers like you that are true heroes! thanks for caring for the public. the advice on how to avoid getting scammed is priceless. Oh and as for the scammers cocky attitude... don't worry we might not be able to get him but the drones will!
UltraServer
wow, just wow.
Jaime Vigil
I've actually been watching videos like this and I find it hilarious that they go on to explain how they do what they're doing once the target says they know they're scammers.
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